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What is the main female "weapon" in politics

A woman in power and the power of women - with the knowledge of the subject matter discussed in the editorial "the Russian newspaper" Lyudmila Shvetsova, First Deputy Mayor of Moscow in the government, Byrganym Aytimova, Minister of Education and Science of Kazakhstan, Olga Mahovskaya, Senior Research Fellow at the Institute of Psychology, Russian Academy of Sciences. Vela discussion deputy chief editor of "WP" Jadwiga Yuferova.
In the TSK in white tights

- It is known that Byrganym and Lyudmila long familiar, followed the career growth of each other, always aware of changes in personal fate. I request you to submit to each other, and Olga - to formulate the first touches of the portrait.
Shvetsova: Byrganym in Moscow on a visit, so let me start.
First, it daughter soldier held entire war from call to call, and a remarkable woman. Graduated Pedagogical Institute, taught English in school. And then became secretary and first secretary of the Ural obkoma committee. It was the first exception to the rules in her biography, because more women than Secretary for schools, not allowed.
Then Byrganym became secretary of the Central Committee of Komsomol of Kazakhstan ...

- At schools?
S.: Yes. She went to the post in a very interesting situation. Remember the Alma-Ata events in 1986, when students took to the area. Then not deemed it necessary to communicate with students. A Byrganym went with them to talk. Students understand it. She understood them. But her party leaders do not understand Kazakhstan. She became unemployed. Avenge them that the second time she married, gave birth Sabinku. And then it was still motherland. Byrganym became Minister of Youth, Tourism and Sport of Kazakhstan. Senators Kazakhstan.

A Byrganym finest hour came when she sent the first ambassador of Kazakhstan in Israel. In the five years it has become duayenom ambassadorial corps, despite the fact that was not the most senior to stay and rank. She learned Hebrew. She knew all the senior leaders of the country. And still call it.

I remember when I arrived in Israel for the first time, I was told that this is a very strict country. No country, no ambassador has no right to meet even the highest guest at the ramp. This was allowed only after the U.S. and, sorry, Ambassador of Kazakhstan.
Then briefly sent its ambassador to Italy, returned home zampredom Sovmina. Now in Kazakhstan had a restructuring, and Byrganym led one of the largest ministries.

Not to mention Byrganym cloakroom, which is not chosen on the basis of cost. It can be put ahead of any columns on the beauty contest, and she will make a lasting impression. A Russian songs she sings as not many of our snilos actress.

- The only. So the name translates our guests with Kazakh. You have the floor, Byrganym.

A.: All that said Lyudmila Ivanovna, as they say in English - too much. That too.

So - Lyudmila Ivanovna, Liu, Lyuda, Lyudochka, as my mother said.
During the Soviet period, the woman became secretary of the Central Committee VLKSM! For us it was a reach people in all. Until color tights, which it was. By the white shoes - white. What was a shock for us. Because while the uniforms was only one color - bodily. I always trepetala because a business trip in Moscow had the opportunity to go to her room. Ludmila able napoit tea with Russian drying. Until now, I love them madly.

And it allowed itself to sit at meetings zakinuv, leg to leg ...

- I write on his knees?
A.: Yes. But enthusiastically referred to it for her unfeminine mind. When she went to the rostrum, we listened to the semi rtami. Because so as to formulate the idea, others noted the success could not have none.

Several years ago my mother first arrived in Moscow. Lyudmila Ivanovna met her and lucky to their homes, does not allow for any hotel. Leaves itself, even in the old apartment, into the hall to sleep on the sofa. We give priority to the most comfortable bed. Mama impressed all night, could not sleep. Well, it is necessary, it is not convenient same. I say, Mom, give, give vyspimsya. In the morning half-Moscow fed us breakfast, Lyudiny friends and neighbours. Mama I have people from the land, among different people lived, and then she told me that friends can mean even more than relatives.

- As a psychologist thinks about this mutual submission?
Metro: We have before us - two bright archetype. It is my understanding that both our guests have come to school leadership in the Komsomol organization. And not refused today from its past. For me, the representative of Russia fade intellectual elite, this is an important turning point, because a politician on its internal structure conformist. Personally, I always lacked conformity, so I went to the scientists, which requires independence.

- For our guests: Olga - acclaimed author of the interview, published recently in "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" on the "War of the sexes".

Metro: Both women have passed through the atmosphere and made a career (and make it very difficult to skirt). Mutual support of two stars - a very important factor because it happens when no one you did not understand. And it is frightening - to be one at that sky. Absolutely sure that your friendship was not threatened.
Not smiled - then punished

- First question: what can be weapons of mass success of women? Um, beauty, strength, weakness?

Width: The main weapons (if such a term to apply paramilitary) successful women in power - professionalism.
Second. Understand that she need not at the mercy of men in skirts, namely a woman. Because all attempts to prove that you are not inferior to men, murderous. If you want to take risks, take quick decisions, to keep the strike, to protect the breast, you have to bring forward a man.

A woman must think that this risk will be. How to collect stones. How to treat wounds.

- It should have common sense, when her husband's primary concern: that there is with Saddam Hussein, but it - what to send children to school?
Width: Risk - this is also common sense. Most can not live without risk.

Next: I know that there are women in power who know how to love and to make itself strong. I think that is not much stronger than the sharp word, perhaps, the absence of a smile on the face. I have taught people with whom to work, that if I have not smiled or did not say "sun", he already understands that there is a question to him. Farewell minds, but not tolerate lodyrey and liars.
- Your move, Byrganym.

A.: I would "arms" also took in quotation marks, of course. First of all, a woman in power need mind. Plus intuition, the ability to listen and hear.

Men are usually in the shell, they are somewhat limited in expressing their feelings. And I have all written on the face. This is my problem and my advantage, I think.
C.: Maybe because we did not go in a bath. They are sincere in the sauna, and we are at work.

A.: A moment in life when money did not exist, but I was a minister. Every day, prayed over the phone by our Minister of Finance Pavlova: I need to send a team to the World Championships. And it: no money! Do not be decided one week, second. Then I came to him in the cabinet and say: you - men, you are well, you go to the sauna together, pohlopali brooms, poterli each other back - and to resolve all problems. And I do that?

- So, not for nothing is said that men make a career in the sauna, and women in the boudoir?

S.: If we say, for example, that we only worked, studied and we are fuelling the well, no one would believe.
When I came VLKSM secretary of the Central Committee in 1981 in Moscow, all outraged. In pedagogy engineer? As she understood it? And all started to calculate: Who? Initially viewed, who husband. But the husband could not nominate particular. Iskala lover. Lover not found. So you know that I attribute? What I Scherbitskogo wedlock daughter, the then party leader in Ukraine. Well wedlock, so wedlock. I myself sometimes wonder, as with all conversations that someone is someone moves, puppeteers, I was itself on all these levels.

We novels were in life. Do not already. Byrganym so even got married twice, unlike me.

A.: I was lucky.

S.: We were never people who have pushed for women's enchantment. While not see anything wrong with that, if a person follows that it drew such attention.

A.: I declare that we are his career with Lyudmiloy Ivanovnoy done rather quota when needed female cadres. But I do not want hanzhestvovat. If you do not simpatichen, look at you, probably not fall.

- One leader once said: "I shall choose smart women to work, while always remember that a healthy man between Valeria Novodvorskaya and Pamela Anderson always prefer to Pamela."

A.: Men feel comfortable in the men's circle, but a woman of their disciplines: from color necktie to shine shoes.
Width: Yuriy recently spoke with pride: we are male government. If the woman sat at operativke, I had a somewhat contained, so I work. Although there when the woman was all wonderful. He may say something, but nothing excessive never said. For example, Lyudmila Ivanovna, sorry, please. And he even likes to apologize, and then something further to say, thereby increasing the importance of even that will say.

- Can I, as the lead, the time has come to apologize for artificially imposed topic? I do something against sexual approach to policy and work.

Width: And I like men. Once in power will be 70 per cent of women, I'll go first to fight for the right man.

- And what a psychologist at the Women's weapons of mass success?
Metro: We distinguished woman told one thing and another to hear between the lines. Still, in the first place, I would have had, strangely enough, does not mind, professionalism and beauty. Today we are beautiful, successful, stylish women. Professionalism, tolerance and mind rather abstract concept, because smart women I know, a lot of tolerant and a large number of professionals. But we do not see them in politics. Someone puts rails, someone teaches children, someone on the courts to roam - and all. Because female politician - this is a special character. This optimism is obvious. Whatever happens, always find a solution.

Width: Of the four nothing to do something.

Metro: Giperotvetstvennost. Whatever the risk, he has not taken a decision, I will go resource. Men-policy - that strategy. So they see themselves. They were pleased to talk about the future. A woman politician in our tactics. We have a real power belongs to men. Responsibility - women.

Clever enemy or friend stupid?

- And now a small etude. Imagine a business dispute, in which there are winners and losers. Men argue and broke, everything is fine. But if the dispute takes a woman, then quite different. Play dispute man - procedure. Win - his enemy. My friend said that sometimes deliberately goes to a loss. So, women's victory in vain to pass?

Sh: First, a victory for what? If you just need to itself - is one. A reasonable goal in the work - is another. Here I can afford and retreat, and just a sample of soil. Then have the forces to withdraw from the shadows again. If you do not have status, authority, then you can polzti long to the goal and never to it not pripolzesh. At work, clever and wise woman behaves as a good family, when a loving husband would do as his wife wants. The second important for me seems more effective than the first.

A.: Our victory tomorrow grow from today's. Frankly speaking, I do not like to lose. And I always want to speak. And only comes with years of wisdom appropriateness of silence.
As a diplomat, I learned to appreciate the high-things. Fatherland, Motherland, patriotism. Who among us every day, said "my president"? And in diplomacy, we say "my president". This is normally perceived. Therefore, if it is worth, I agreed to stay and stupid at some point in the dispute.

- Always whether women's victory justified? What the women's tactics more wisely, Olga?

Metro: I think, be adequate - is the greatest dignity. And it is more accessible to women than lavirovat and ability to compromise. Therefore, every time the price of success is defined in different ways. I do not think that we have women who just a personal success of a focus. Because the life of a great, great career, a lot of tasks, such egocentrism melok for them too.

Toast for the women's friendship - always anecdote
- There is a perceived assertion that civilization has survived only because one man fight for the woman preferred male friendship. Why women can not unite? We do not command people?

S.: I remember one sotsissledovanie in Zelenograd. There was a question: Do you will elect a woman MP? President? Yes - no. If not, why not? And there went below the letter and, in my opinion, as well: they will never support each other. And then some items "g", "h". All who wrote "no", stressed the point "and".

One day I was present at the meeting in the hall of the Central Committee Politburo. Then in the Soviet summit class on the surface were two ladies. One of them sat at the table Politburo and the other stood at the rostrum. And you need to be seen as one that sat at the table, mutuzila her questions. All the two guys were sitting, lowering his eyes. I would never in any life when not have very went to be with a woman barrier.

Remember how Khakamada and Lakhova spoke from the two parties, the entire country gathered at the TV to see these fights cockscomb. Absolutely nobody is interested in what they say about politics there.

This will not only feature the Russian. World. A woman is by nature too long been slaves. If the Harem noticed one of them, all the others started to be jealous or hate it. And this instinct slave even in our most intelligent minds sometimes somewhere instituted. I can bring a lot of examples where a woman coming to the high post, razgrebala all the women around him. Because it should be one on the field.

Remember how "Women of Russia" came to the Duma? I am told that they considered themselves hundred percent women, because women's movement came through in parliament. And the rest - so-so. You nakrasheny lips and skirts there, but this does not mean that you do understand in women's issues. And then we saw what happened. Now almost no women's movement.

After all, why even Byrganym became the most popular among the ambassadors in Israel? Because they want, as two guys, do not go in the sauna, but at this time to cling to pies, beshbarmak prepared, to their all invited guests. After all, she, and not in the Russian embassy met the ambassadors of all the CIS countries.
A.: Probably, our natural desire to be very charming, very beautiful, very smart, very fashionable, itself a harmonious prevents us, women, consolidated.

Width: Byrganym relates better to women than I am. I find slavery, but it unique in the women's.

- A psychologist is now a comment about women's solidarity. There Is it in modern politics, in modern power?
Metro: Vspominayutsya phrases from "Marriage" Figaro: women's friendship is strong, until they begin to share one man.

A.: This is a strong test.

S.: We have not been such.

M.: I probably agree with Lyudmiloy Ivanovnoy that women have lived so long under conditions of attention deficit and the recognition that it now seems, if you vyskakivaesh where some top, you can take away this toy and willing to take away a lot. That is, is a phenomenon syndrome, or withdrawal from the harem.
I dealt with women's issues, women's emigration, returned to the country, otsutstvuya in five years, I have been invited to women's clubs, but there naked eye visible or trouble making, or shura-mura, someone supports, and some top. I believe in the rule, when issues of women's solidarity will be decided on a course completely.

I do not too good for them?

- A French magazine conducted a poll of men: how they spend the morning. The winner admitted: raise, break, take a shower, drink coffee and go home. And how you spend your morning, how long are going to work?

Width: Vstayu morning is very difficult. I do not want to get up. Alarm clock face, and I do not. Raised, go to the mirror. Not very much a nravlyus. Beria "matches". Opens eye inserts that they have not closed me. Then do some exercises, ten minutes waved hands-feet. Then natykayus on something your photo (I have a lot of them). Listen, talking itself, this is not bad. And here is fine too. For example, Liu, let's take a-ka. Well, here and starts - a minimum of 40 minutes I do themselves. Then come to the surface. I looked at themselves. Not for nothing has worked.

And loudly say: "And I do not too good for them?" This is the psychological mood, because if I went with morning matches in the eyes, look at me like no one and I would assume it was boring to watch. Therefore morning - with half of the seventh to eight - this time a need to work. Naturally - juice, of course, pumpkin seeds with perepelinymi eggs.

At 8 o'clock in the car, I already ringing phone. I am leaving to work somewhere after eight, if not any evening events, and vezu with 20 kilograms of mail, every evening. Therefore, I lie down in the second half, the letters start of workers. Sometimes there praised, among other things, if praise - better charge. Less matches need to open our eyes then. Actually, I believe that a woman should be in power very seriously monitor themselves. It should look good. It must change clothes every day.

My relatives know that if I went twice in succession in the same, it means I have something is wrong.

- So, you're not home stay.
S.: It is true, I did not sleep at home. I believe that a woman should be fun to surrounding people, it should decorate the world, which is located. Especially among identical dark jackets.
BA: My morning is very modest. Immediately wake, 25-30 minutes for charging. Something in between yoga and exercise. I am not at breakfast in the mornings, so accustomed. In three days ukladochku once in the morning. Why is something I did not get to cook the evening, which go to work. And always the problem of the morning.
Width: And by the way, with this evening and they do not have to do. Because the outfit for any mood choose.

A.: Lihoradochno watch: what to wear that today wear?
- Odetsya not into that, as each of us ...

A.: Points proterla because glasses - this is my world. If something is wrong for me, I think: Yes, well, nothing can spoil the beauty. And ran to work. Now somewhat easier. And when was the ambassador of the protocol should have been a few times a day to change clothes. The talks - in the business suit, then a cocktail, you should dress for a cocktail and evening reception already. Also the change of scenery.
S.: I always have to work any jacket or overalls, which can wear if, for example, do not give a god, something will happen in the city.

The path to the hearts of men is through diet
- Already has become banal assertion that the path to the hearts of men is through the stomach.

S.: They are now all on a diet.

- Have you ever wondered at its culinary arts their superiors?
Sh: S Yuriy work twelfth year, but I have never, nothing can treat. A previous superiors? No, perhaps not. A treat subordinates.
A.: Byvalo in life. For example, if you and your ambassador Minister arrives. But I am not the best food, bowing to all who prepares delicious.

At a star over, but the very idea

- The last question, businesspeople: Do you believe in horoscopes? Signs of the Zodiac affect your career?
S.: I - first day of weight, a sign, perhaps, gave me a standing desire to weigh all, listen to the arguments of either side. In principle, I idle to read now and then sometimes horoscopes, but I can not say that I believe them. Well, when you have identified the stars happy destiny and you can simply follow this fate and nobody is upset and does not anger. But if, for example, only at that believe and obey all this, then you can just lose yourself. I won the fate of: loss of the most expensive people. And if I had not included the reason, any possibility of their internal body, then I would simply was not long ago. Therefore, I believe that people should be very strong personality. None other than the life you lead. Only you himself.

A: I just fish. I have a son - Leo, grandson - Leo, but I fish itself. Sometimes I do horoscopes, for hohmy, reading. When pleasantly written that he expects fish, I am pleased that, not hide. Still, some tablets to each of us says.

- Olga, you changed the course of their conversation about our sobesednitsah?

Metro: Our guests were sincere, friendly and very frank.
Women's spell did play a very important violin in the career of politics. Initially, I was as assumptions, and now I see how much women's work invested in it to be an active and successful in politics.